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[Music] hey buddies welcome back to another
episode of Buddy talk with me Paul pelli here on C today and as you you can see
I'm not at home we decided to make a little bit of a road trip we're outside
of Jakarta near bogor in fact as you could see we have now arrived at the
school of government and public policy and today we're going to try to catch up
with one of its Founders by Gita wian very interesting person he is a banking
investor he is a former Minister the minister of trade he's been a politician
and he's dabbled in music as well so it's going to be very interesting to
find out his thoughts on the latest so without any further Ado guys class is
about to be in session let's try and catch up with
[Music] B all right I'm now with Pagan uh pag
thank you for your time with us here today welcome to Buddy talk uh finally
get to meet you in person we did connect once online before last year um you have
an extensive background you're not only a banking investor you've been a Min a
former Minister a politician YouTuber um I want to ask a little bit about that
last one actually what uh kind of turn steered you in that direction in
particular when you started your YouTube channel it it started out uh a little
over 2 years ago as an idea experiment okay uh involving guys that at uh the
school where I spent a lot of time at uh policy school and the guys at V Cinema
and and I I told the guys look let's come up with something that's
educational different from you know many others I don't care if it gets viewed by
two people but but I want to make sure that the Indonesians you know learn as
much as possible about topics that are so Divergent I want to talk about
genetics geopolitics entrepreneurship economics spirituality
you name it and and I want to challenge the Indonesian people uh you know within
reason and I want to size up as to whether or not they can catch up and if
they can then I think it it's it's gratifying to know that but it's also a
reinforcing element for us to be a lot more optimistic about the future of
Indonesia and Indonesians true so it it started out a little over two years ago
nice let's uh let's have a walk actually because it's my first time being SGP
very uh it's beautiful here the weather is nice and uh it's obviously very
suitable for us to be outdoors today um let's talk more a little bit warm at
this time of the day though um the YouTube channel description says a proud
Indonesian who's on a mission to find the best narrators to help tell the
story of a country and the Region's bright future that's pretty much what
you mentioned already but you also mentioned that this was an ideal
experiment correct um what is the what would have been the target of the
experiment what were you trying to accomplish find as many smart
Indonesians as possible okay and we have and we've just discovered we we didn't
think we were going to be able to discover this many and we've discovered
also that there's a lot more to be discovered uh who know you know so many
things so many different top topics and and that that is uh I think what you
know serves as an impetus for us to to work carer added and and you know the
result has been tremendously different from what we anticipated and and that's
even more impetus for us to move forward right um our team actually brought
something um this is a little surprise so we usually like to give our guests a
little bit of a surprise could you open it and have a look and see what's
inside what is that it's a mirror it's a mirror very interesting my team has
interesting uh ways of selecting their gift so this was something that can use
it's going to be something that can it can be used as a tool for public
speaking in fact this is something that you've done before yeah why you laugh I
do this every day man so this is actually a trick that can be used so
tell me a little bit about what's behind it so I you know I was I was not a very
good public speaker decades ago when I first started my real job before before
that I was washing dishes and and I I I sucked I you know and talking to clients
and my my former boss was very good at it thank you uh he told me dude you know
just look at yourself in the mirror and start talking for about 15 to 20 minutes
a day really and and I did that and I I I grew in a positive way in terms of you
know my ability to speak more confidently in front of clients or
anybody and I I still do that until today what what were you trying to get
over was it nerves or was it just just you know I got stuck you know my lips
were stuck whenever I was in front of a client uh this would have been 1989
long time ago man and and ever since then you know I've picked up on this uh
you know I've gotten a little bit better since then and and I tell people around
me you know do do what I did see if it works if it doesn't then blame
me does it work and if it works you don't need to attribute it to me right
okay has anyone told you that it's effective yeah yeah some people have
come back to me it actually works I never tried it I never thought of that
because I thought what would be the point you're probably a lot more of a
natural than I am well I'm a little bit bit of an introvert but I'm an introvert
extrovert would you would you consider yourself the same no I was I was an
extrovert uh in certain circles you know I was I was in sports and teams and
stuff like that I was I was okay communicating with my teammates but in
front of strangers you know I got really tight lipped and and and I've gotten
over the hump yeah I think Sports was one of the ways I got over my uh
introvertedness too as well because then I was able to yeah I I think that brings
a a little something out of you because of the adrenaline as well let's go back
to endgame um what's behind the name because it's quite a it's very
interesting choice it was it was uh you know recommended to me by the team
because that's the question I always ask anybody I
interview where do you want to end up you know I I even tell my nieces and you
know nephews you know don't think about where you going to be when you're 30
think about where you going to be when you're 50 or 60 start thinking long term
and when I interview people for work and stuff you know what's your endgame where
where do you think you you're going to be when you're 50 or 60 and and that
that got those guys into thinking about longterm as opposed to short term and
and that's really the the the reason for you know naming this endgame so have as
uh you asking your the guests that you've had on uh has any of them ever
thrown you off with their answer when you asked them no no no I mean I've I've
met spiritualist I've met geopoliticians I've met you know geneticist I've met
econom missed I've met so many you know people from different backgrounds uh
they never threw me off I mean they gave me a new idea but didn't really throw me
off so um how involved are you in the the creation of the content itself I you
have your team yeah much very much we're we're we're very selective in choosing
who we call you know to to have a conversation with me and and I I like to
call this a conversation it's not an interview because I I follow the guest
okay you know I don't I don't have a set of questions you know I just follow I I
start with a question that pops out of my head or my heart uh as the camera
starts rolling and I just follow him and then I I try to measure as to whether or
not you know he he's tired or he's not to the extent he's tired you know I'm
probably going to ask one more question and we end it okay but but luckily we've
been able to survive with you know being able to make this long format uh one to
one and a half hours some even approaching 2 hours so that that I think
is is quite enriching I I do hope though at some point we could have a
conversation that would last 4 hours because that that I think would would
take us to a different level where we can go deep you know into whatever he
wants to talk about or whatever she wants to talk about I I guess that open
format works that way as well if you don't go in with a planned script or
list of questions and the conversation could pretty much go anywhere right yeah
um most recently this was actually brought up at the G20 uh in Bali as as
well by President Joko wi doo in regards to digital illiteracy or literacy inia
depends how you look at it what's your view on where we are when it comes to
our uh digital I'm a lot less worried about illiteracy okay I think we're
literate but I'm more worried about what literacy can take us to what do you mean
uh we have become a lot more digitally literate but we haven't really
democratized ideas right I mean I've I've been saying this you know quite a
few times in the sense that you know we've seen massive dissemination of
information but we haven't seen massive creation of ideas if any ideas have
gotten polarized and this is where I think we need to be mindful of in terms
of guiding the literacy so that ideas are created in a much more robust and
diverse manner polarization of ideas is not good for any Community around the
world uh I I do believe in the you know uh robust cultivation fertilization of
ideas so that that I think is is something that we need to do with
regards to our being literate uh digitally right yeah you know just just
take for example social media right how you know the Young Generation looks
at it 9 to 10 hours a day that much wow well I mean you know the average use of
handphone on a daily basis is 9 to 10 hours a day then that's mostly looking
at Tik Tok and Instagram yeah I I I don't spend nearly as much you know I
try to spend less than 2 hours a day on my mobile phone and and do realize that
there's good contents in social media but there's a lot more garbage in social
media so I think we as parents we as adults I think have to you know make
sure that this is moving in the right direction in terms of where we go from
being digitally literate to all the noble things that we want to achieve
going forward very good um when it comes to YouTube many people watch your
YouTube channel who do you watch I watch um Joe Rogan and Lex fredman
quite a lot I I've been watching Andrew huberman quite a bit these are long
format uh you know long form yeah hopefully we'll we'll get to you know
being half as good as those guys are someday yeah well you're on well on your
way there okay so we've been talking a lot about content creation I want
there's a couple of uh pieces of content I would like to show you so have a look
at these just have a look at it first so these are uh just a couple
but uh there's many others like this where it's more like um I guess in a
prank format and it does garer a lot of views
yeah um at the expense I would say though of sometimes innocent bystanders
or there's another one here this one involves like young
people what do you think about this because I I find that this there's a
possibility that this encourages this sort of behavior especially when people
get you know people like sometimes go viral because because of this kind of
thing what what is your take on this because it's so vastly different from
the stuff that you're trying to do on YouTube well that's that's one reason
why we're doing what we're doing okay right to bring about more balance to how
the young kids are being nurtured and educated I've been making a point about
how the attaining of a position of leadership in
any Dimension would have been based a lot more on
sensationalization a lot more on festivalization as opposed to
intellectualization I I I I do believe that you know we can become a great
nation if we have the world withth all to intellectualize a little bit more
right uh I'm not in a position at all to anal any of that okay but I'm I'm in a
position to bring about you know a balancing element to the equation and
and I do hope that more and more people resonate with what we have to offer uh
and and it's not necessarily what what I have to offer but I think it's a lot
more with what the guests have to offer that's true and and they do have a view
they do have an opinion about stuff like that and whatever they're working on and
to the extent that that resonates a little bit better uh and and we take the
Long View we don't take the short view we're not dogmatic about where the world
is going to be in 6 months time but we're optimistic that if we keep at it
uh you know hopefully as long as possible I I think we're going to get to
where we want to be nice and buddies you don't go anywhere either we've got
plenty more to come with Bita when we return stay with
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us welcome back to Buddy talk I'm still here at the beautiful campus sgpp
alongside its founder Pita wiia 1 so uh Pita one of the things that I want to
ask you about when it comes to your channels you often talk about stoicism
now I did my research and I still haven't fully wrapped my head around it
yet what is stoicism for somebody like me in layman's
STS it's it's really about trying to be better okay person right and you can
splice it into different parts uh one big part of it is the ability of anybody
to accept the non-permanence of the state within which
you know he is or she is okay uh a lot of
people go through tremendous despair because they think that that despair is
permanent okay and once he or she realizes that that's something that's
non-permanent he has or she has become more
stoic uh the second part of it is is really to be a
better list listener than a talker right and we live
in an era where I think people get number one a little too
opinionated a little too polarizing and less of the ability
to hear what the other person has to say and and I I do believe that once we
reach a point where we can actually show the ability to hear if not
listen to the Views and opinions
of somebody that you have the most dislike
for that I think is the ultimate okay right so at the end of that is is is
one's ability to agree to disagree in a very respectful manner in a very
amicable manner in a very you know cordial
friendly manner so those are I think some of the things that you know I've
been trying to tell my family members and the people around me but but the
most important part of it is really the the the impermanence if not the
non-permanence of a state that you're in and how long have you been kind of
practicing that in your life well just just the last few years you know I've
been you know after my morning prayer sub I I meditate I've been meditating
for about seven or eight years okay and then I I go through this process of
not cleansing but just sort of like coming to coming to peace with whatever
creates some sort of imbalance in my life were imbalance in the elements or
you know people around me okay a lot of the things that you mentioned um when it
when it comes to uh listening better or just being gen generally respectful
other people's opinions even though they're not our own seems to be opposite
of what I'm seeing happening lately I don't know if it's because of social
media or everyone seems to have a voice are people actually changing in that way
um do you see or is it just because there's our platforms that we are seeing
this happen now where we did not have that before at the moment I don't think
they're changing for the better okay by way of the emergence of social media and
and I'm not here to pontificate okay what goodness or Badness will be there
but but I I do believe that this is sort of like an episodic stress that Humanity
is going through but I do believe that if more and more people learn about the
concept of stoicism then you can I think make
improvements upon a pre-existing condition that would not have been
ideal uh like I said earlier social media I think has polarized
conversations to the point one would argue it's correlated with Rising cases
of depression anxxiety even so Ides all over the world mhm and
one practical step you can take is to just drop your handphone not look at it
for 9 or 10 hours a day right as simple as that yes I think the owners is upon
us as parents as adults to make sure that the people around us use a
handphone as little as possible that I think will mitigate whatever risk that
you know Humanity has been exposed to um the last bit of stoicism really is about
not being able to be sympathetic not being able to be
empathetic but it's really being able to otherize to put yourself really in the
heart and soul and body of that other person okay being sympathetic is putting
you still outside M being empathetic is still putting you outside that person
but being able to otherwise is Lally almost completely putting yourself in
the body soul and heart of that particular person that may go through
some sort of Despair well can't imagine a lot of people being able to do that
not easy yeah not easy cuz everyone can relate I mean when when when you get to
that point or when you get near to that point I think you have some ability of
showing tolerance uh with you know certain
things that would have been somewhat intolerable right indeed so um would you
say that you're time uh with the government you were the ministry of
trade at one point when you left uh that office is that part of your process uh
in you know in kind of implementing stoicism in your life no I mean you know
by the time I checked out I I was done you know I thought I was done and and
I'm not going back uh and I I you know I'm I'm a big fan of Miles Davis and
Jimmy Hendrick so I've been a big fan of jazz I do all kinds of musical genres
but I think in yes what I've learned is to really take on New Dimensions you
know improvise and right now I'm in that later stage where I want to spend a lot
of my time in the academic domain just giving back by sharing my thoughts ideas
and whatever indeed um we've got um I'm going to ask you a little bit about um
stoicism in films
um hopefully you've seen these um I going just show you a
clip these are examples I want you to uh perhaps help me uh find I like I like
you give me I like how you give me all these
tests these are yeah little quiz a little Budd I don't watch a lot of
movies by the way yeah so but perhaps you'll know the first one let me uh let
me find it for you how will the world speak my name in years to come will I be
known as the philosopher the warrior the tyrant
or will I be the emperor okay uh you recall that bit Yeah tell me a little
bit about how your loss is my loss your Victory is not necessarily my
victory that's the philosophical point that was made okay
you know I suffer your pain if you're in pain I suffer your pain but if you're in
gain doesn't necessarily have to acree to me but can it can but it's your game
right that's sto it it's very unselfish absolutely being able to
otherise but not necessarily weer rise okay makes sense right yeah so I I think
that's that's that's really you know the point that came out of this conversation
so um could you give me an example the other the other point that came out of
this movie which I thought was great was you know he was not interested in
providing entertainment but the public was
interested in entertainment so he entered this Coliseum to give the
entertainment to the public but he was more interested in basically avenging
the death of somebody that he had worshiped mhm you know before yeah um
you know it it's a very interesting perspective I've seen this film probably
three times and I've never that I never caught that part of it or perhaps I
never looked that deep into it text me next time but
but perhaps all these examples are around us what do we need to do in our
lives just to see them more and to help us understand it a bit better because I
like I said even I understand the dictionary definition of it but to see
how it happens in my daily life or to make it happen more often it's still a
bit challenging for me what can we do to implement us
books I I I see an episode right now where people are just not interested in
Reading you're right you know and I talked about this with a very
prominent spiritualist just yesterday uh he is off the same view that the Young
Generation is just not showing the kind of propensity to read books like the
older generation and this I think will be you know
manifested in the next 10 to 20 years in terms of the quality of leadership that
we're going to be seeing especially at the rate that we tend to continue to
sensationalize and festivized narratives as opposed to intellectualize narratives
that that I think will bring about if if people read more uh any
topics that will bring about I think a higher wherewith all to pick up you know
Elemental uh points of any story that they look at what why what is it about
reading books I mean let's I'll be devil's advocate here couldn't I say
that I can just consume if it's just for the sake of getting information I could
get the same stories or the same information if not more online let's say
on my phone well I made the point earlier right there's been massive
information but there's not massive idea creation good point right when you read
books you don't just get information you get ideas and and people always ask me
do you buy non-fiction or fiction I always buy non-fiction okay it
ironically I can actually imagine better by reading
non-fiction people think that you'd be able to imagine a little bit better by
reading fiction it works the out way with me completely the out way you know
by by reading what somebody actually had to go through
truly allows me for a much more imaginative you know Endeavors more
realistic you know it's happened correct right correct what's uh what are you
currently reading uh I just finished a book called uh the grand transition
okay it's it's really about the
epocal transition of the planet and Humanity through the lenses of the
environment the economies energy population demographics and all that
good stuff it it looks into the possibilities that could occur in the
next 10000 200 years by what we have seen in the last few th000 years right
um I'm I have to admit guilty is charged I I should be reading way more than I
actually do um I myself have fallen victim to the oh I'll just get my
information the easy way um three recommendations for reinner or reread
like me somebody who's just wants to get into books again books I've I've said
this many times the first one is range range it's written by a guy by the name
of David Epstein okay the second is doom doom written by Neil Ferguson okay and
the third would be the grand transitions right I I would have mentioned the next
Century written by you know George Freedman but these are books that I
think give a perspective about what's happened and what could happen in the
next long duration all right so uh is it okay to
read them in ebook format or you you physically have to I I I I like physical
papers uh for some reason it goes to my brain a little bit better digest I got
rid of my Kindles okay yeah I find that on um on an ebook I I skim I end up
skimming I don't know why is it because it's just easier to get through it I
don't know all right so uh I need to get myself some some paperbacks for hard
covers be good all right um B I want to see more of this amazing facility why
don't we just take a walk and while we continue our conversation we'll be right
back with more from pag1 when we return here on
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[Music] welcome back buddies still here we're
actually Outdoors enjoying the beautiful weather and I'm still chatting with pita
wiwa and Pita I want to talk a little bit about what just took place more most
recently in Indonesia we know the G20 has finally come and gone uh Indonesia
like many other countries are still relying Prime arily on coal as an energy
source but we are trying to make an emission to reach zero emissions by a
certain amount of time um can I I want to ask you first how ready do you think
we are both as a society and as an infrastructure I I think we're a lot
more ready uh today as compared to 5 years ago much less 10 years ago by way
of the exponential nature of how you know innov ation of technology has grown
in the last few years so I I would be in a camp where you know I'm
optimistic uh about how we're going to be exponentially more ready in the near
foreseeable future by way of Technology not by way of policy uh uh and and I've
I've always advocated that you know Carbon is something that we're not going
to be able to live without for a long time but it doesn't mean that you know
we shouldn't be transitioning uh and eventually you know
Embrace full renewability uh but transition is
important uh because you know any disruption to economic
activities you know by way of our adopting or embracing a completely
renewable Paradigm uh would not do justice to the people so I think there
there needs to be some element of incrementalism uh in terms of how we
transition from the old Paradigm to the new paradigm do you think it would have
it can have an adverse effect on our economy this transition um which is why
I I've been advocating uh a bit more of an incrementalist type of transition uh
so that you know it wouldn't have you know the the adverse effects that many
would have you know thought of but it doesn't mean that we need to continue
embracing the old Paradigm right just just as an illustration if we take a
look at the energy generation capabilities of Indonesia they're at
about 70 to 80,000 megaw okay uh that translates to an electrification on a
per capita of about 1,000 Kow hour if if we want to be a Modern Nation we need to
be electrified to the extent of at least 5,000 KW hour uh Singapore is at about
10,000 so they're at 10 times okay so for us to go from 1,000 to 5,000 that
means we have to multiply the electric uh you know power generation
capabilities by five times M so that that means going up from 70 80,000
megawatt to about 350 to 400,000 megaw now if we take a look at or consider the
fact that we've only been able to build 3,000 to 3,500 megaw of power generation
capabilities per year that means it's going to take a long time for us to
become a Modern Nation M so this I think is is is a point that you know we need
to embrace so that we need to think about scaling up M and and scaling up I
think is is important but it also means that we have to
incorporate uh new types of power generation capabilities uh which are
hopefully a lot more environmentally friendly which goes back to technology
like you said as the faster the technology will be here then the faster
we can make the transition corre So speaking of time frames then how
realistic are we in reaching this in your opinion like the 2030 time frame or
even the 2050 time frame I'm not very optimistic about 2030 I mean if we go by
you know what would have been adhered to In Paris we would have to cut down our
carbon emission by 50% uh by 2030 I don't think that's a
realistic goal but it's a lot more realistic by 2040
and 2050 where we have to reach you know Carbon neutrality by 20150 I think by
way of technology I think uh it's it's a lot more realistic so I think we have to
embrace uh you know that sort of realism uh in making this necessary transition
but we also have to be cognizant of the fact that we have to scale up and there
are other Alternatives of power generation capabilities that are
scalable and that are also environmentally friendly right so um
since you have a background in investment would you say this is a good
time for investors right now to get in while the transition is about to take
place I think in general it's always a good time to invest in Indonesia I mean
if we take look at you know the the foreign direct investment in Indonesia
on a per capita per year basis it it's tiny you know it's at about
$100 uh and compare that with Singapore's FD on per capita per year
basis of $6 to $19,000 so there's only upside here for
for Indonesia and this is a place that I think presents uh you know enormous
opportunities we can go back to the old cliche of what we can offer but but I
think uh you know from a risk return profile uh standpoint uh Indonesia is is
a very uh you know robust investment pieces yeah I I mean there's two sides
to it right I mean uh investor it's it's obviously a very attractive time for
investors right now and in fact I would say that for a consumer it's very
exciting time too I'm on the fence very much myself I I'm on the fence of I
really want to be electrified but am I going to be able to adapt my lifestyle
like what's your what's your take on how people see electrification these days
because there's the the pro side there's the con side and then there's a lot of
people like me that's kind of stuck in the middle like I want to be Pro but I
want to make sure that I'm also able to you know do all my daily AC activities
and take care of things that I usually take care of and plus affordability as
well because then I would be spending more money up front as opposed to and
saving money later on down the road I think there's a bit of an irony uh
within you know the community of those that want the planet to be somewhat
safer from environmental damages uh the irony lies within the
fact that as much as we want that to happen we still emit carbon yeah right I
mean if we want to be completely environmentally friendly we might as
well just walk to work we might as well just you know turn the candle on right
uh as opposed to turn on the electricity at home uh using traditional Paradigm uh
which is why the the point of contention through transition is important we need
to make sure that you know this is a developing country that still needs to
grow so every bit of change I think needs to make sure that there's not too
much of a disruption from not only economic activities but lifestyle uh you
know within all communities in in the country uh specifically with regards to
you know mode of transportation that would have been electrified uh uh I I
would Embrace that sort of Paradigm because it is uh happening at the
downstream level but it sort of like not only forces but reinforces the new
paradigm at the Midstream and Upstream uh so to the extent that the
downstream would have reach the kind of efficiency and Effectiveness from a cost
and use user experience standpoint uh then we need to basically worry about
the next steps uh within the main the the Midstream and the Upstream so I
think that would be a good start uh you know in terms of embracing a new
paradigm in the context of mode of transportation right and obviously we we
do know that the G20 really kind of helped Indonesia be launched into the
world stage especially when it comes to these issues having to do with climate
change or uh electrification um next year we'll be
heading out the Southeast Asian uh oan um how important do you think that is in
order for us to continue the momentum that we've already carried over from G
it's very important uh I I don't think we lack narratives we just lack
execution capabilities okay uh and and this goes back to the earlier point of
uh you know our FDI the G20 was a hell of a momentum Creator and a moment
Creator uh to the extent that we're going to be playing this host for The
aan Summit in September which will do tail into the G20 uh in India uh I think
we need to keep pounding the table with regards to some of the climate uh you
know uh related uh initiatives that were announced uh just a couple of months ago
uh I I do believe that we we need to make sure that we are hospitable to
Capital formation uh we are welcoming of capital formation that comes from all
over the world and I've made the point that you know we we do not have as much
Capital as other countries and the developed economies around the world are
sitting with tremendous amount of liquidity amounting to about 90 to 100
trillion dollar of uh of liquidity that needs to be tapped into uh and and we
need to basically inforce and reinforce uh you know more and more narrators from
Indonesia to make sure that these these initiatives that are environmentally
friendly will be attached with liquidity if not Capital formation that's right
I'm I personally am looking forward to um seeing how these issues are followed
up because you know a lot of things are always usually discussed at these
Summits and a lot of proposals and promises that we need to make sure are
being followed up on as well yeah appreciate your take on this we got to
take a short break here buddies but don't go anywhere we're going to talk
more with the one and only G we one when we return here on buddy
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[Music] welcome back everyone still with us here
on buddy talk and I'm still with gaita um we're going to explore a lot of
your different sides but now I want to explore more about your musical side um
you do have a background in music you're well versed in not only playing music
but also producing music but first I want to start up by asking you do you
think you can guess what are the top three songs on your Spotify or playlist
your streaming playlist or your phone playlist anything that you normally use
what would you think I pick uh calop uh Island by Herby Hancock oh
nice and then um Spain by chick Korea and then Sound of Music oh that's
my favorite very wide variety yeah yeah those those are favorites in the sense
that I I I like to play them when I hit the piano or any musical instrument nice
doesn't mean the others are not favorites definitely well it's tough to
just choose three sometimes um so you've helped produce music for tompy de lari
as well as smash this is also quite there's quite a wide range there as well
what are what do you look for when you for say want to choose to produce for
somebody when when I spot a a star that needs to be brighter it doesn't
necessarily have to be in a certain Galaxy okay uh it could be in any Galaxy
so that that explains the the wide array of musicians and
musicali that been not only fun off but supportive off and and it goes with you
know some of the other things that that I've been doing so I don't I don't pick
any particular genre I don't pick any particular taste as long as I know he or
she can be a much brighter star what do you mean when you say brighter what what
is it they that could be what do you what is that potential that you see I
mean you know if if I talk to a person and I think he or she is somebody that
could make make a difference in a bigger way than whatever he or she was doing
then I would I would support that particular person in whatever Dimension
he or she is doing nice pretty much that yeah okay so I've got um we've we've uh
reached another sort of our challenge segment so I'm going to play a few songs
for you they're by uh local artists obviously and I want to get your opinion
do you think you would be a producer for any of these musicians so let's have a
look uh it's it's called yes or no we're going to play the song for you the first
one is by Ado prono are you famili oh yeah okay let's have
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a oh someone else is very good on the piano by the
way so what do you think abouton someone whose a star can
certainly be brighter it's already quite bright he's a dear friend uh
I would be supportive of him you know uh going all the way he he represents I
think the new generation of musicians in Indonesia that deserve to be globally
known because his his genre is universal I don't think it's you know uniquely
Indonesian uh and he can sing both in English and Bahasa that's true and I I
don't see any reason for his musicality not to be recognized at least regionally
I think globally uh I think is is within the realm of possibilities nice there's
another uh young man who's also well versed in both languages can sing in
both we're going to play his track for you right now
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okay who's this guy this is tza sura his is
his latest single introvert he has this very distinct kind of like a deep raspy
kind of voice and yes he's a sort of that
R&B uh genre R&B hip hop uh I haven't heard him sing in English Okay but but
to the extent he can sing in in in English that will take him to a
different place but locally I think he's going to do great Yeah by what I've
heard amazing one of my favorites definitely we've got one more to play
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you nice this is B by Nadin amiza okay what
are your thoughts excellent I like it it's got a
bit of a foty tone and this is the kind of stuff that
that sells uh in in the US and many other parts of the world I think this
will do well I think all three of them will do well what what is the trend that
you see these days I'll give you an example what I see is a lot of young
artists these days not only are well vered in either language or their music
is sounds uh very new but they seem to have a message they seem to be more
expressive these days they're very kind of like open about their own lives using
their own lives to relate to their music do you see the same trend absolutely uh
and and I see the same Trends uh in movies right uh in in movies what is
universally marketable and applicable would usually revolve around family
themes which I think would do well in songs and of course love stories right
but but I think family themes are what resonate with the whole world it can be
in Korean it can be in Japanese it can be in Dutch it can be in English but to
the extent that it's a family theme that's very Universal I think it
resonates all over the world love story has always resonated to everybody around
the world in spite of you know different languages being used to sing or to
narrate through a movie or or whatever I would make a suggestion what what I what
I do see as compelling in music is sort of like a hybrid or a combination of
either Funk and R&B or Jazz and Hip-Hop that's already happening in some parts
of the US uh I see this mushrooming in some parts of Chicago uh and some parts
of LA uh to the extent that I think the Indonesians can you know Embrace that
sort of a hybrid or a combination of maybe D with hip hop or middle eastern
musicality with dangdut and jazz or R&B I think that would be really profound I
completely agree with you and plus with the connectivity of the internet these
days Indonesian musicians are exposed to something immediately just as any other
if you're in the UK or if you're in the states it doesn't matter anymore it used
to be absolutely very tough to get your hands on music that was unreleased or
just released but nowadays it's all worldwide everyone's on the same
platforms corre so uh you did mention movies so let's segue into that a little
bit what caught your attention initially about V Cinema for an investment you
know Anga came to me with Glenn and tompy mhm and tompy and Glenn the late
Glenn you know had higher opinions about me than Anga at that time okay and and
that would have been because of some perhaps lack of comprehension about what
I had in mind and as soon as we sat down with Anga we hid it off you know we
talked about philosophy we talked about geopolitics we talked about history we
didn't talk about movie making for the first couple of hours and and the second
meeting was basically just you know the rest is history and I I never bother
to ask questions about whether or not his first movie was going to make money
because his first movie which would have been Chaya right was was just an amazing
piece of story you know it's about uh you know what happened in maluku and it
was pacified by way of the unification and unity of these 13y olds who came
from both Muslim and Christian backgrounds that brought about peace for
the whole of malukus and and I thought you know this is the
kind of story that I like this is the kind of story that I think Indonesians
need to hear without even you know talking about whether or not it was it
was going to be you know making money and and it ended up uh you know being a
very commercially robust proposition and and ever since then you know our
partnership with with Anga and the late gland would have been fantastic and the
cinema has been consistently producing I think good
stories it's interesting that you know the bottom line wasn't money in the
beginning but yet it turned out to be profitable anyway so a lot of people say
if you follow your heart and you follow your passion sometimes that'll all fall
into place later you follow your heart but you got to follow out with execution
and that's that's I think what differentiates Anga from from others and
and a lot of successful people from others uh they they make a difference
not only because they have the passion and the vision but they have the the
world withth all to execute do you remember the last uh what was the last
Indonesian film that you saw that you really enjoyed well my you know our own
movie I thought that was Congratulations by
the way on the award thank you thank you well then we that that that was uh that
was another story that that I like you know before production Anga basically
broach the idea look we should make this I think it's going to you know put
Indonesia on a on a different level and and I think it did yeah it it it feels
like a very international movie and and I keep pounding the table you know when
when I see these Korean movies winning you know Oscars uh I I don't see any
reason why Indonesian movies cannot win an Oscar uh I I think parasites is
something that you know many Indonesian directors and producers could have
produced but but I do believe that you know for an Indonesian movie to win an
award such as the Oscars I think would require a much more holistic effort from
end to end and that's I think what the Koreans have been better at yeah than
Indonesians and uh in fact I I would argue that as well that we one day
hopefully will uh not have to say hey this Indonesian film is so good that it
looks like a foreign film we should just look at it as that as the standard
absolutely yeah what do you see in is Indonesia's potential for the creative
economy let's just look at it as an overall as a whole because nowadays you
can see that our films are being nominated or at least being showcased at
International Film festivals our musicians are playing at Coachella and
other giant festivals as well around the world so what how how far can we go I
think we can go very far in an extended to 20 years okay I I don't you know I'm
not in a camp that believes that we have not won you know at the kind of levels
that the Koreans have because of lack of talent I think we have a lot more talent
because we have a lot more demographics we have a lot more diversity and I think
we're going to continue being demographically very rich uh it's just a
matter of harnessing these demographic dividends in in a in a beautiful manner
but like I said in a collective manner uh we suck at working collectively yeah
uh whether it's because of too much individualism within our community or
Society or maybe we need you know better leadership in making sure that you know
there is a much more Collective effort going for forward and and I do believe
that in the near if not the very near foreseeable future there could be
surprises in a good way happening out of Indonesia I hope so we've gotten a few
at a global level right yeah so um if we look at the next at least couple of
decades should be very exciting coming up for us oh I I think 5 to 10 years I
think uh we would see a culmination of some truly robust uh you
know results yeah absolutely P thank you so much for your time it's been great um
you have a wonderful facilities here by the way I love the campus it's amazing
glad that we got to hang out here and spend the day here
all right buddies unfortunately we're almost out of time here on buddy talk
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